Creating a Better Workplace with the Dream Manager Program featuring Courtney Rooney

Courtney Rooney [: 00:00:00

I say give it a shot. I do. I think the concept of if you take better care of your employees and you can create that relationship with them and offer that some support, of course they're going to show up and work harder and have that connection with you and in the end, be a better employee. So I think it will come full circle and just show us how you care as individuals, but 100% give it a shot.

Kate Volman [: 00:00:25

This is Lead with Culture. I'm Kate Vollman, and on this episode, we're talking about the Dream Manager program, joined by Courtney Rooney, who is the certified Dream Manager for KLN Family Brands. It was a great conversation. We talked about the program. We talked about how she rolled the program out, invited all of the team members to be part of the program. And then, of course, the impact that it's having on the culture over there at the organization. We also talked a little bit about some of the success stories. We love hearing about all of the dreamers and what dreams they've been working on, what they're accomplishing and why that's important when it comes to building a great culture.

Kate Volman [: 00:01:08

So we talked about all of that and more on this episode. I hope you enjoy. Courtney, thank you so much for joining us today.

Courtney Rooney [: 00:01:18

Hello and good morning.

Kate Volman [: 00:01:21

I am so excited to talk to you because, well, I'm excited to talk to all of our Dream Managers. So we're going to have this conversation about the Dream Manager program and what it's been doing for all of your dreamers over there at KLN Family Brands. So tell us a little bit about KLN Family Brands. For sure.

Courtney Rooney [: 00:01:39

KLN Family Brands is based out of Perham, Minnesota. We're a small town of about 3000 in central Minnesota, and we have up to 900 employees. It is a pet food industry, nutrise brands. And then we have also, throughout the years, added some human foods to that and we do some treats. So we have Wiley, Wallaby, Licorice, and then we also have sweet chaos popcorn. So all here in the little town of Perham.

Kate Volman [: 00:02:08

So tell us a little bit about your background. You actually have an interesting background because you're a licensed therapist.

Courtney Rooney [: 00:02:13

Yeah. So like I said, born and raised here. When you talk about family, my dad actually used to be Tuffy back in the day, worked for Kalin for 45 years. So it's always been a part of our family. But yes, born and raised here. Got my major in family science and child development and went on to get my master's in social work. So I started my career in the field of mental health and got into the Perham schools, worked for Lakeland Mental Health center. And then this program was introduced to me.

Courtney Rooney [: 00:02:42

And I've always been kind of a kid at heart person, and that's where I feel my expertise is. But it was kind of at a stage in life where I wanted to branch out a little bit more. And I think I just. The power of hearing someone's story, I thought I'd give it a shot, maybe at the young adult to adult ages, and I've loved every minute of it.

Kate Volman [: 00:02:59

That's so cool. I know that the CEO introduced you to the book, correct. Charlie, who is the CEO, introduced you to the book, which happens so often, he read it over the weekend and said, hey, we're thinking about maybe implementing this into our organization, and then reached out to you. So there's up to 900 employees that are over there. How many dreamers do you currently have?

Courtney Rooney [: 00:03:24

This is my second session. My first year I had 26. And on this section I'm up to 30. So it's been great. I think my goal is to also kind of expand the program so I have more people that I'm seeing on the night shifts, I have more people that I'm seeing on production lines. I just want to make sure it's available to all employees. But my referral source usually comes from the people who started with my first year, so it's kind of expanded from there, and people just wanting to give it a shot and ready just to focus on themselves a little bit. So it's been very exciting.

Kate Volman [: 00:03:59

All right, so Courtney said session. I just want to make sure everyone that's listening understands. So there is years. So there was like a whole first year. So you've been through a whole year. So twelve sessions with all of the dreamers taking them through the first year, and now it's this, it's year two. So you're taking them even deeper into, uh, into their dreams. So you've had a full year of the program where people have been able to identify the dreams that they have and then also achieve some of those dreams.

Kate Volman [: 00:04:26

So what are some of the dreams that you've seen some of the team members over there start achieving?

Courtney Rooney [: 00:04:33

Yeah. So exactly what you're saying. So I think even when I met with Charlie in the beginning, talking about engagement and relationships and that employee retention and just really getting to know people, I think when I think of the Dream Manager, when you think of, like, your favorite job or your favorite place of work, it might not have always been the job, but it's the people you work with or the supervisor you had. So making those relationships and connecting those stories. So I've been able to meet with my employees once a month for a year. We do face to face sessions. Supervisors have been awesome in allowing their employees to come over and meet with me. If production lines are going in and it's a bad day to get out of out of work, they just pick another date and we meet a different time.

Courtney Rooney [: 00:05:15

But I think it's been very, very supportive with our agencies. So we deal with many things in our session. We talk about physical goals and emotional goals, and spiritual goals and professional goals. Do you want to move up in the company or try a different position or kind of where you at with things? And my first year, the accomplishments were amazing. Some of my highlights I can think about. One woman gained us a us citizenship, so she took the test. She became a us citizen, moved over here, started at Kaylen's and moved her way up in the company. I had another family, the dad of this family was in our program, has also worked his way up the ladder, has five kids and brought his first home, so kind of helped him manage some of those.

Courtney Rooney [: 00:05:59

And I'm kind of the gatekeeper of the services and I kinda ask the questions and get things started and then really encourage them to take the steps to do it on their own, but provide the resources and kind of the direction on way to go. I had one woman who, her dream was to take a solo vacation. And some of us may think that would be like, I don't know if I'd want to go by myself or go with other people, but she just really wanted to go on her own. When she came back, she's like, that was hard, super, super hard. I had to figure out things for myself that I've never done, but it was amazing and made me feel so strong. So things like that. Some of have picked family trips, as you can see here, back on my board. Some of the new dreams people have, there's five k's up there, there's confidence, there's.

Courtney Rooney [: 00:06:42

I want a job promotion, building a house, you know, getting out of an apartment. Just everything kind of across the sun. One wanted to learn how to play piano again, read a book every month. So kind of wherever their heart is, it's been great just giving them that hour a month just to sit down and kind of talk about things they maybe have lost a little bit, especially at different stages in their lives, and just get them to dream again.

Kate Volman [: 00:07:04

I love hearing about the dreams because there's so much consistency around them. Like, we hear so many people that have similar dreams, right? People that want to go take a vacation, are they reading more books? It's actually really funny. I feel like that's one that comes up, because when you really start drilling in on what people want for their lives, they do start to think about things like that. Like, oh, wow. When I was reading more books, I just felt like a better person because I was learning, I was getting curious, I was digging into some things, and it's really beautiful to see that you have the dreams on the wall, too, because then other people, we joke and say, you get to steal people's dreams, right? You kind of steal and put them on your own dream list and start to go after them. But the story about the woman that took a solo vacation, what's so remarkable about that? And often, I think people forget that our dreams are meant to help us become the best version of ourselves. And so I love that she recognized that it was hard. Like, she had to learn some new skills, and because of that, gain more confidence.

Kate Volman [: 00:08:16

And that confidence is then going to trickle into other areas of her life. And so this one dream of just doing a solo vacation is actually going to have so much more of an impact than she even thought when she took the vacation, which is really cool.

Courtney Rooney [: 00:08:31

Well, and we've been talking about this month is when they have to kind of start to look at some of their dreams. And definitely, you know, we talk a lot about what is the best version of you and of self care and some of that stuff. But one of my favorite days on the job is when I just started and we were trying to make a little production video. I can even send it to you because it's just heartwarming. But I had my little camera lady come with me, and we went down on the production line, and I just went up to random people, and I'm workers, and I'm sure they were like, who is this lady? I'm like, okay, if you had a dream with no limitations, anything in the world, what would your dream be today? And just to see their face light up and then think a little bit. Some people are like, I don't have time to dream. And they'd leave, and then they'd come back and they'd say, hey, now I have a dream. Can I tell you what it was? But just to see the life in their face and to accomplish some of that stuff.

Courtney Rooney [: 00:09:23

And you bet this stuff is so, so hard sometimes. And, you know, some of our sessions are awesome. And I'm cheering them on. And some are, we cry in here, we get mad in here, and we do all those things, but just a safe place for them to come and talk about some of those vulnerabilities. I mean, for these people to trust me and sharing their story, I think, is so remarkable. It just makes me excited to see some of those dreams get achieved.

Kate Volman [: 00:09:47

So how has, how have all of these achieved dreams impacted not only the people but the culture at KLN family?

Courtney Rooney [: 00:09:58

Well, and I think, too, that goes beyond kind of what you had said before. So if you feel better kind of about how you're doing, you know, they'll say, man, I'm a better mom or dad now. I'm a better spouse. I'm a better coworker. It's amazing to me, too, on how they work on things. Sometimes I get emails that say, hey, I think you should go check on so and so because, you know, so on and so forth. So just even their sense of belonging and their commitment to this company and, you know, it's a people first company. And it truly is for them to have an organization, a program where you get to meet with someone once a month just to kind of work on bettering yourself, I mean, you don't always hear about that in companies.

Courtney Rooney [: 00:10:38

And I just think part of my training, too, I was able to meet with all the supervisors and just how do you better get to know your employees? And the more you can know them and kind of know their story, the more they're going to have that relationship with you. And you bet they're going to try to be there every day and work their hardest and commit as much as they can to you. So it's a full wraparound not only for the individuals here, but I feel across the board with the company, too. So, yeah, it's a great, great culture to work in.

Kate Volman [: 00:11:04

So before we started recording, you shared with me that you were a little skeptical of if the of this program a little bit before implementing. So talk about that.

Courtney Rooney [: 00:11:16

Yeah. So with my background in mental health, which is near and dear to my heart, you know, when you hear the word dream, in the beginning, I was like, okay, that's kind of fluff. I can't see myself saying to my, some of these co workers or some of these older gentlemen, and they're tough and gruff, like, what is your dream? They're going to look at me like I'm a little crazy. So I just thought about, you know, especially with the people I've worked with in the past half their dreams are going to be, they're ready to fly. They're ready to think about themselves again. And I said, I just felt the other half. If you're kind of struggling with that mental health or depression or anxiety or just family stressors or life stressors, your dream may be to get out of bed in the morning, or your dream might be to get your food for your kids or pay your rent or whatever it might be. So I just really opened the program to talk about those real life stressors, too.

Courtney Rooney [: 00:12:06

As much as we want to dream and think of, yeah, I want to go on vacation and I want to see the ocean. I want to do all these great things. There are some hard days, too, and grief and loss and depression and anxiety is also real. So I've kind of added that a little bit into my program. I'm not doing therapy or anything like that, but I just think to talk about it and to recognize it and to offer resources. You know, there's employee assistance programs. We have a KLN clinic that they can go and talk to a doctor if they felt the need. So whatever it might be, just to offer them support, because we all know life sometimes is great and sometimes really hard.

Courtney Rooney [: 00:12:41

So I just wanted to make sure it was a program where you could fit and hit all those needs of people in this agency.

Kate Volman [: 00:12:48

Now that you have been through a full year of sessions, you obviously see that there are questions in each of the sessions that really open up wonderful dialogue with people to really face some of the challenges that they're going through and think about life a little bit differently, which was really the intention behind the program. I mean, Matthew talks about how the difference between the Dream Manager program and life coaching is this additional content that really supports people, not only in the dreams that they have, but also feeding them new information. Reading the book, the Rhythm of Life, little sections of that book, and seeing what really resonates with people. In fact, that's one of my favorite parts of the session, is to just see which sections the dreamers really resonated with the most and really kind of open their eyes to maybe some of the things in their life that they've been avoiding, which I'm sure you see all the time in mental health and some of the work that you also do, for sure.

Courtney Rooney [: 00:13:53

And I think it's just that relationship, you know, I, like I said, I'm the one who had the best job. You know, I just get to hear stories and check in with people, but I love that. So some of these people I worked with a year. And now I. I'm on to my second group, which is new, but my old group still is reaching out and saying, and saying, you know, hey, can I tell you about my kid? Or I didn't make this dream in a year, but I made it in a year and a half, or. But those relationships that are so important and just taking time to kind of check in and one another and, you know, just to see people leave with a smile and maybe have some of those bricks off their shoulders and just feel a little better and safe just to come in and get things out and then go on with their day. But, oh, definitely, I think people are amazing and just taking that chance to get little vulnerable. And sometimes I ask them questions, they look at me like, and I'm like, you don't have to answer.

Courtney Rooney [: 00:14:43

This is all voluntary, but you do. They dig deep and they go deep and they talk about some hard stuff, but they're ready to celebrate that good stuff, too. So I think just knowing that people are in their corner, I think CEO and the admin and the production and the supervisors here are amazing people and just really want to create that culture and support each other inside and outside of work. So I think that's the benefit I have, is I get that great job of just meeting with people and checking in.

Kate Volman [: 00:15:11

So with, with the leadership that you're working with, and obviously they brought you on to manage and run the program. When you're having those conversations with them, how are they looking at ROi? We get a lot of leaders that say, well, how are people measuring the ROI? How do we know if this really is working? Because we do have some people that are thinking, I don't know, is this tree manager thing really a thing? So what do they look at as far as the ROI of this program?

Courtney Rooney [: 00:15:40

So I do a survey halfway through and then I get those results and kind of share them. And I like to do, like, those updates. We do the report card, so then at the end I can show, okay, here's the report card. You know, we do the ratings on their physical, emotional, spiritual and intellectual goals. So I can kind of show that progress. And then I think to the referrals, like the referral source of, you're not going to refer someone if you thought the program wasn't working anyway. So that referral and just that retention, I'm very proud to say. My first go round, I had started with the 26.

Courtney Rooney [: 00:16:16

Two people had left for different jobs outside the company. The rest all stayed, and I had 100% participation. So that meant I met with every single person every month face to face, two that were remote. So I met through teams or whatever that might be, but they showed up, and they showed up and they showed up, and those people are still employed here. So I think kind of that's just part of my goal. And seeing even some of them shoot for higher level jobs and want to move in the company, I think, is just showing. As their confidence increases and they feel better, they're willing to take those advances. So, yeah, we do lots of checking in and sharing, and I love to share these stories, and people come in all the time and read off my board or we'll post.

Courtney Rooney [: 00:16:58

We had a graduation supper where three people got up and shared their stories and lots of tears and hugs, and it's just, yeah, an amazing program.

Kate Volman [: 00:17:07

That's so cool. So how did you roll the program out? You came.

Courtney Rooney [: 00:17:13

You.

Kate Volman [: 00:17:13

You came to Jupiter, Florida, you got certified to be a Dream Manager, and then what did you do when you went back to the organization? How did you roll the program out and get people to enroll in the program?

Courtney Rooney [: 00:17:25

So I kind of did the flyer, my little Dream Manager flyer with my name. And if you want more information, I offered to do just getting to know me information about the program sessions, but I did a dream storm, and I went out and met with supervisors and managers and leadership because I really thought it's hard for them to push their employees to do something like this if they don't really know what it's about. So those were some fun ones, too, where you're sitting around with some of the top people in the organization and saying, okay, have you reached all your dreams? And if not, if you could do anything, what else do you guys want as individuals? So that was great, too, just to see that. And then it was all voluntary. So it was great to see. I had females, I had males, I had office, I had production, I had, I mean, everything kind of across the board. And it was great to see that first, you know, I didn't know. So try that first year success, and I would say 90% of my second year has become, has come from referrals from the first group.

Courtney Rooney [: 00:18:22

So I think you should do so and so. I think you should do so and so. And that kind of feels good, too. If someone says, you know, I think you'd be good in this program. And I call and ask him, and I've got a lot of yeses. So I just see this continuing to grow and grow, and I think even in talking to Charlie, his goal is to get 1234 g managers in this program and keep it going in and building on and creating that culture and all adding to that, too. So, yeah, it's been a lot of great stuff.

Kate Volman [: 00:18:47

You have a lot of team members over there. You need good Dream Managers to support all of them. What has surprised you about this program?

Courtney Rooney [: 00:18:58

I think, thinking about it, how sometimes it's really hard for them to think of dreams. You know, when I first couple sessions, we write down all their dreams, and they'll write dreams about their family and their coworkers and. But just that focus on yourself is really hard sometimes. So taking that time to do that, and I just think the variety of stories, you know, there is never a day where I don't leave feeling inspired by someone and some hardships they may have went through or some successes and then, and just them being willing to share their stories, I think it's just amazing. And seeing how hard people work and how hard people care about each other, you know, I think we get caught up in the busy, busyness of life. And I know obviously business and production and work is so important, but just to stop for a little bit and take time for yourself and feel like you want to better yourself is a gift. So I get to be on the end of that and see those smiles come in. People really just, you know, when that light bulb goes off sometimes or they've accomplished something, it's pretty powerful.

Kate Volman [: 00:19:58

How long have you been in the mental health space?

Courtney Rooney [: 00:20:03

Probably for the last 20 years is when I got my licensed clinical social work degree.

Kate Volman [: 00:20:08

So how have you seen that industry evolve, especially today with so many people? You know, 20 years, we, 20 years ago, we didn't have social media and everybody talking about all this stuff. And now I feel like it is a conversation that has opened up, and not only on social media, but a lot of employers that really understand that it's important for leaders to provide those kinds of. That kind of support to their team members. So what have you seen over this past two decades and how this industry has evolved? And even just the way that people are talking about it online?

Courtney Rooney [: 00:20:43

I do think our youth and our younger generation have an easier time talking about it in the high school. The referrals I get, and even kids seeing me in the hall and they're like, hey, I need a session with you. I mean, they talk about it and they're taught about it, and it's more accepting. It's not maybe seen as a stigma, but I think it's coming to the adult world and maybe it even starts with kids. Just because a kid is making bad choices doesn't mean they're a bad kid. But what are the things that are kind of going on? And I just think we need to educate and we need to talk. And I think even as much as social media can, sometimes I feel add to some of those stressors. I think even getting those out there and, you know, some celebrities even talk about things that they're struggling with and things that are real, just making it a little bit more real.

Courtney Rooney [: 00:21:27

You know, our society has changed a lot. And just going back to, you know, what morals do you have? What beliefs do you have? What do you stand for? Where do you get your support from? World can be tough sometimes. And I think I, a lot of great things are happening, but again, a lot of tough things. So just who is your support system? You know, where's your safe place? How do you take care of yourself? We talk about a lot about that stuff, and in doing that, hopefully those other good things will continue to happen. And if you hit that bump, at least you have the resources and the coping skills to kind of deal with that and keep going. So talk about that lot.

Kate Volman [: 00:22:00

That's awesome. We've had multiple leaders come to us and say that their dreamers came to them and said, had it not been for the Dream Manager program, I don't know that I could be handling what's going on in the organization or even in their home, as well as they've been able to handle it because of all just with it, with so many layoffs and so many things that people have to deal with with their families. And so I feel like that's such a testament to having program. I mean, obviously the Dream Manager, but just programs that really support helping people gain the skills that they need in order to make better decisions and to go through things that are really tough and challenging. Cause we all know they're gonna happen in life and we've gotta have the skillset to do it. So it's awesome that you work with kids and are able to provide them that kind of support when they're young, so that when they are, when they do get older, they already have that.

Courtney Rooney [: 00:22:59

One of my favorite comments, I get a lot, too. And I do. I start that by just, they sit down, you know, they're coming from work sometime in the middle of shift, and I just will take that deep breath and just, I'll just say, how is life? And just kind of let them get out whatever they need to get out. But one of my favorite comments I hear a lot from parents is I want my kids to have a better life than I did, and I'm working this hard so that I can provide for them so they can have things they didn't have as an adult. So I just think they're gonna work hard so they can create that for their kids, which I think is pretty powerful, too, and says a lot about them as people.

Kate Volman [: 00:23:34

Yeah, that does. So if somebody is listening, if there's a leader out there and they were or an entrepreneur, they're building a business, they're thinking about, hey, you know, maybe this stream manager thing is something that I'd want to implement into my organization. What advice would you give to someone listening?

Courtney Rooney [: 00:23:52

I say give it a shot. I do. I think the concept of if you take better care of your employees and you can create that relationship with them and offer that some support, of course they're going to show up and work harder and have that connection with you and in the end, be a better employee. So I think it will come full circle and just show us how you care as individuals. 100%. Give it a shot. And it's, again, I've said it over and over, I'm the lucky one that gets to hear these stories and see the success and sometimes even see the struggle. But it's a great, great program, and.

Kate Volman [: 00:24:24

I think it's important to also highlight that people have to start where they are and use what they have. Right. So I think some people get a little bit shy into implementing new things if they feel like it's too big. I don't have the right person on the team yet. Like, there's a lot of people that they're will. I don't want to say we make excuses, but we kind of make excuses for some of the things that we, uh, that we don't start implementing if we want to. And so every organization really rolls the program out based on their needs. And so, Courtney, you are a part time Dream Manager for KLM family Brands, which is awesome because you can try it, right? You start, there's almost 900 team members.

Kate Volman [: 00:25:06

That doesn't mean that they all have to have a Dream Manager right away. You roll the program out very successfully, obviously, as you've done, because you've worked with people, you retained all of them, and then they start to refer more and more people in the organization. So there's a way in which to roll the program out very successfully. Knowing that in the end, we really want to touch everybody in the organization and make sure that they have an opportunity to work through the program, but you are there part time and with the goal of maybe having more Dream Managers come on board, which is awesome. But you gotta, you gotta start. Don't let what you can't do interfere with what you can do. And so I think it's awesome for the leadership to have brought you in part time just to kind of get things rolling.

Courtney Rooney [: 00:25:51

Yep. And the training that I took in Jupiter was awesome. You know, you learn the twelve months it's laid out for you, it's beautifully laid out for you. It gives you creativity to add your own pieces and add your own different things to it. And I think it's nice. Some people I like face to face, just like to have them in my office, but you can do it through meet, so you can, you know that you can do it. There's emails that when I do check ins in, so you can be creative to kind of whatever works for your organization and definitely you can start small. I think there's some people who have said, you know, this year is just really crazy.

Courtney Rooney [: 00:26:24

Can I try next session or, you know, I think timing is huge, too. Like, you want to do it when they're ready, when they're open to the idea. You can't really force someone into this, but once they're willing to take that chance, you know, for those people who are like, I'm not too sure, I always say, give me two months, meet with me two times. And if you are like, this lady is crazy, I don't want to do this, you don't ever have to come back. But they never have not come back. They give it those two months and they're like, okay, this isn't that bad and I can handle this and it's going to make me better. So then they keep coming. So just kind of meeting people where they're at, I think is really important.

Courtney Rooney [: 00:26:55

And I think finding the person, too, that can connect to these people, you want to have someone who's open and willing to go on them with those wrist and ask those tough questions, but also show that they care and they have a safe place to kind of work through some of those things and then celebrate. You've got to celebrate when good things happen. We had an employee, another one of my favorite stories. He had got an award through the company and he was so excited and he came to session. He's like, this is going on, so on and so forth, and he was so excited. We took his picture, we made him a little canvas with his award, and we hung it in his office. And then we went over there and we hung it up and he came and he's like, oh, my gosh. Well, this canvas turned into billboard on one of our highways in Perham.

Courtney Rooney [: 00:27:41

And he tells the story how he went home one night with his family and he said, we're going on a field trip. And he loaded all his kids in his car, went out, drove on the highway, and he stopped and they're like, oh, my gosh, dad, you're on a billboard. And he let his kids get out. They were taking pictures. He called his mom, told his mom already was on a billboard. But just the energy in his face and how much, I mean, and this was about his job and he just found so much fulfillment in that. But just to celebrate whatever it might be that they're, you know, those little things. How often do we always do that? Sometimes we, life gets so busy, we can just good job and move on.

Courtney Rooney [: 00:28:16

But to really celebrate those successes, we take time to do that, too.

Kate Volman [: 00:28:20

That is adorable. I love that he got his, what are they called? 15, the 15 minutes of fame being on the billboard.

Courtney Rooney [: 00:28:29

Exactly. And can't you just see driving by and all these little kids looking up at their dad and he's calling his mom on the phone to tell him. He's tell his mom he's on a billboard. And yeah, he was so excited. It was a fun story.

Kate Volman [: 00:28:41

That's adorable. I love that. Well, Courtney, thank you so much for sharing. I just love hearing about all the dreams and everything that you guys are doing over there. It's just, it's so beautiful. And I'm so happy that you're continuing to get more people that are referring like, that's awesome. They really impacted their life and they want other people in the organization to be involved with it. So I'm excited to see over the next couple of years what you do with the program, how it's expanded and the impact that you continue to have on all of your dreamers lives.

Kate Volman [: 00:29:15

Yes.

Courtney Rooney [: 00:29:16

And I say read the book. The Dream Manager book is a short read if you type in Matthew Kelly on YouTube. In our role, we have to take care of ourselves, too, because sometimes some stuff can get a little heavy, but he has great little clips on five reasons or five tips to try or have you, you know, and you just sit and think a little bit and it kind of rejuvenates you and gets you going. So get out there and check him out on YouTube and read that Dream Manager book and I bet you won't turn back either.

Kate Volman [: 00:29:41

Aw, yeah. Once you see something, you can't unsee it, or you learn something, you can't unlearn it. It's once you read the book, you think, oh, I can't even think about business in the same way or even dreams in the same way. And thanks for giving Matthew a shout out on his YouTube channel. He has great videos, awesome content he's written over. I think it's up to 40 books now. So that man creates a lot of content in the world to help everyone become the best version of themselves. So absolutely.

Courtney Rooney [: 00:30:12

Absolutely.

Kate Volman [: 00:30:13

Something for everyone.

Courtney Rooney [: 00:30:15

Yeah, for sure.

Kate Volman [: 00:30:17

Well, thank you so much, Courtney. It was great chatting with you and looking forward to hearing more and more of your great stories.

Courtney Rooney [: 00:30:23

Sounds great. Thank you. Have a great day.

Kate Volman [: 00:30:29

Don't you just love hearing all of those great stories? It's just such a reminder that everyone has dreams. We all have dreams. And I love that she showcases the dreams so that people can see them, because sometimes, sometimes people forget to dream. We've stopped dreaming. And so having a Dream Manager in your life ignites that passion again. It helps us to recognize, wow, we really do have dreams. And it helps your team members recognize that the future can be brighter than the past, and that starts with their dreams. And so if you are leading a team or you're working at an organization, or, hey, if you're just an individual and you're thinking, I need a Dream Manager, we would love to talk to you about either getting certified to become a certified Dream Manager at your organization or just investing in a Dream Manager in a life coach for you to help you become the best version of yourself.

Kate Volman [: 00:31:27

So we would love to have that conversation with you, and you can find out more details about the Dream Manager at thedreammanager.com. Thank you so much for listening. And until next time, Lead with Culture.